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	<title>Comments on: Cyberspies Have Penetrated the U.S. Electrical Grid</title>
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		<title>By: JME</title>
		<link>http://www.gotgeoint.com/archives/cyberspies-have-penetrated-the-us-electrical-grid/comment-page-1/#comment-822</link>
		<dc:creator>JME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing &quot;Breaking&quot; about this story, just pulling out the latest arrow from the quiver of scare, call it a scarrow if you like.
This same story is from 2005:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A25738-2005Mar10?language=printer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing &#8220;Breaking&#8221; about this story, just pulling out the latest arrow from the quiver of scare, call it a scarrow if you like.<br />
This same story is from 2005:<br />
<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A25738-2005Mar10?language=printer" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A25738-2005Mar10?language=printer</a></p>
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		<title>By: JM</title>
		<link>http://www.gotgeoint.com/archives/cyberspies-have-penetrated-the-us-electrical-grid/comment-page-1/#comment-817</link>
		<dc:creator>JM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the sentiment that this is scare tactic propaganda.  So far this technique as worked for everything else the administration has wanted.  Why stop now?  

Fear influences people to do or approve of things they would not have otherwise.  If people can&#039;t see through this by now, I don&#039;t know how much hope there is to see it.

However, there are real threats.  I work in the security field and have had job offers to provide network security to a major power grid installation.  Things have changed from the &quot;air gap&quot; model that existed prior to 2004.  Convenience of control across the grid seems to have trumped security is some aspects.  How much this has occurred is the question. 

There is no reason to have a Cyber Czar other than to assert more direct power.  More power means less freedom. I find it ironic how the media threw a fit about the Patriot act when many of the things being put in place by the administration in the past 100 days are 10 times more dangerous to personal freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the sentiment that this is scare tactic propaganda.  So far this technique as worked for everything else the administration has wanted.  Why stop now?  </p>
<p>Fear influences people to do or approve of things they would not have otherwise.  If people can&#8217;t see through this by now, I don&#8217;t know how much hope there is to see it.</p>
<p>However, there are real threats.  I work in the security field and have had job offers to provide network security to a major power grid installation.  Things have changed from the &#8220;air gap&#8221; model that existed prior to 2004.  Convenience of control across the grid seems to have trumped security is some aspects.  How much this has occurred is the question. </p>
<p>There is no reason to have a Cyber Czar other than to assert more direct power.  More power means less freedom. I find it ironic how the media threw a fit about the Patriot act when many of the things being put in place by the administration in the past 100 days are 10 times more dangerous to personal freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Larson</title>
		<link>http://www.gotgeoint.com/archives/cyberspies-have-penetrated-the-us-electrical-grid/comment-page-1/#comment-815</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 14:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is &#039;scare tatic propoganda&#039;. I don&#039;t believe it for a second and I wish this site would buy-in to that propoganda and fear. This would just be another power grab move with legislation to restrict our freedoms of internet and energy. 

Here&#039;s a quote: “Nuclear weapons and other sensitive military systems, as well as the computer systems of the CIA and FBI, are ‘air-gapped,’ making them inaccessible to outside hackers. Systems in the private sector tend to be less well protected, but they are far from defenseless, and nightmarish tales of their vulnerability tend to be largely apocryphal.” http://www.infowars.com/rockefeller-internet-is-number-one-national-hazard/

The article includes a YouTube clip of Jay Rockefeller saying &quot;It really almost makes you ask the question would it have been better if we had never invented the internet&quot;. Do you really hold any validity to the two new pieces of legislation S.773 http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s773/show and S.778 http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s778/show that this man would have the audacity to introduce?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is &#8216;scare tatic propoganda&#8217;. I don&#8217;t believe it for a second and I wish this site would buy-in to that propoganda and fear. This would just be another power grab move with legislation to restrict our freedoms of internet and energy. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a quote: “Nuclear weapons and other sensitive military systems, as well as the computer systems of the CIA and FBI, are ‘air-gapped,’ making them inaccessible to outside hackers. Systems in the private sector tend to be less well protected, but they are far from defenseless, and nightmarish tales of their vulnerability tend to be largely apocryphal.” <a href="http://www.infowars.com/rockefeller-internet-is-number-one-national-hazard/" rel="nofollow">http://www.infowars.com/rockefeller-internet-is-number-one-national-hazard/</a></p>
<p>The article includes a YouTube clip of Jay Rockefeller saying &#8220;It really almost makes you ask the question would it have been better if we had never invented the internet&#8221;. Do you really hold any validity to the two new pieces of legislation S.773 <a href="http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s773/show" rel="nofollow">http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s773/show</a> and S.778 <a href="http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s778/show" rel="nofollow">http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s778/show</a> that this man would have the audacity to introduce?</p>
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